What do you think of compound amino acid powder? Please help evaluate it.
Please evaluate the compound amino acid powder!!!
This post was last edited by zhaoyong on 2009-6-16 11:00
I have a new raw material here, please discuss it, everyone.
Water solubility: completely water-soluble.
Hygroscopicity: because it is at the short peptide and amino acid level, this product is quite hygroscopic.
Appearance: the color is similar to rice husk powder (used as a carrier).
Odor and palatability: it has a special aroma (a kind of burnt-cereal aroma), coming from the product itself, with no additives added. The glutamic acid content is relatively high, so palatability is fairly good.
Crude protein and melamine: cp: 97.5%. Melamine was not detected.
Amino acids: this product contains 53% free amino acids, 12% small peptides, and a total amino acid content of about 65%. In the amino acid analysis report, the first column is the result of direct machine measurement without further hydrolysis during amino acid analysis, which is the free amino acid content. The second column is the measurement result after further hydrolysis, with total amino acids at about 65%.
Other components: 8% nacl, and 8% ammonium chloride. Because it contains ammonium chloride, the crude protein content is relatively high.
This product has already been developed and applied in aquaculture feed and feed for suckling piglets; please share your understanding of this product, friends on the forum, thank you! Attachment: You need to log in to download or view attachments. No account? Register
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Continuing to follow this......
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Good stuff, thanks!!!!!
jsfwb added the following content on 2009-6-16 11:26
Feed mills can give it a try.
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Please give some suggestions, friends, on its use and promotion prospects. If this product can reduce your feed cost while also improving feed quality, then I think it is a very meaningful thing.
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The direction is good, but what about the composition? The raw materials? How long are the small peptides, and what is the proportion? And then there is the effect.
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This product is not intended to be made into a small peptide product. At present, small peptide products have many obstacles in testing that affect the evaluation of their quality. For example, the friend above mentioned the issue of peptide chain length and proportion.
It is said that this product contains about 12% short peptides because the product is completely water-soluble. At the time of measurement, it was tested twice: once directly on the machine without hydrolysis, giving 53% free amino acids, and then another test with further hydrolysis, giving a result of about 65%. So it was judged that part of it exists in the form of short peptides. Because it is completely water-soluble but not free amino acids, then it can only be short peptides. As for the length of the peptide chains, that was not tested.
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The idea is good. There are a few questions:
1. According to the original poster's introduction, this product can be used for both aquaculture and livestock and poultry feed.
2. How do you solve the problem of asynchronous absorption of free amino acids in the intestines of aquatic animals?
3. The original poster focused on introducing the amino acid analysis results, but it should be known that when everyone evaluates a new raw material, the first thing to understand clearly is its process and what raw materials are used. The original poster neglected this point.
4. Why does it contain 8% nacl and 8% ammonium chloride?
5. With glutamic acid this high, what raw material was hydrolyzed?
6. Compound amino acid powder, compounded? Hydrolyzed and spray-dried? It seems the original poster is selling melons.
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Thank you very much to "Grass Shrimp" upstairs for raising these questions. I hope more friends can raise more targeted questions. Only in this way can we achieve the goal of mutual exchange and learning.
First, let me explain one point: I have no intention of hyping this. It is just that this thing genuinely exists, and I want to bring it out for everyone to discuss. I have always been very optimistic about this thing, but I also need friends to help discuss it. If my persistence can ultimately lead to the application of this feed raw material, then it will also be a small contribution I make to the industry.
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7# Grass Shrimp
Let me answer a few questions from the friend "Grass Shrimp." If there is anything I say that is incorrect, please criticize and correct me, "Grass Shrimp" and all the experts.
A: Regarding questions 1 and 2, "Grass Shrimp" mentioned the issue of use in aquaculture feed. As a formulator, I also do not recommend adding crystalline amino acids to freshwater fish feed; the problem of asynchronous absorption you mentioned indeed exists. However, there is a premise here: we are adding one or two crystalline amino acids extra, which will cause a single amino acid peak in the blood or tissue fluid. But at this time, the protein synthesis mechanism in the body has not yet started, which may stimulate amino acid oxidative decomposition to reduce the peak and maintain internal homeostasis. However, this is asynchronous absorption caused by adding a single amino acid. If what we add is a balanced amino acid or a compound amino acid, then at this time a single peak will not appear in the blood and body fluids, and the protein synthesis mechanism will also start to complete body protein synthesis. Our experiment in a fish pond in Jining has lasted nearly 50 days, with 2% compound amino acid powder replacing 2% fishmeal. The final results are not out yet, but everything is progressing smoothly, with no negative effects.
B: Regarding the other questions, "Grass Shrimp" mentioned the issue of the process. Indeed, when examining a raw material, we must understand its process in order to have a comprehensive understanding. However, as this product is a new product, my friend has always asked me to keep it confidential for the time being. The raw materials and detailed production process will not be disclosed for now. However, from the content of NaCL and ammonium chloride, many people certainly have already figured it out. This is not a compounded product; it is hydrolyzed and spray-dried. NaCL and ammonium chloride are also products of the process. Because NaCL can reduce the amount of salt used, and ammonium chloride is an electrolyte balance regulator, they were not completely removed, and this much was retained. Complete desalination is very costly.
Finally, thank you very much for "Grass Shrimp's" questions, thank you!
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Is it something from the post-treatment of fermentation by-products from a monosodium glutamate factory?
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10# ztz76
No, thank you!
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May I ask whether it has been tried in pig feed? Is there any palatability problem?
I have a new raw material here, please discuss it, everyone.
Water solubility: completely water-soluble.
Hygroscopicity: because it is at the short peptide and amino acid level, this product is quite hygroscopic.
Appearance: the color is similar to rice husk powder (used as a carrier).
Odor and palatability: it has a special aroma (a kind of burnt-cereal aroma), coming from the product itself, with no additives added. The glutamic acid content is relatively high, so palatability is fairly good.
Crude protein and melamine: cp: 97.5%. Melamine was not detected.
Amino acids: this product contains 53% free amino acids, 12% small peptides, and a total amino acid content of about 65%. In the amino acid analysis report, the first column is the result of direct machine measurement without further hydrolysis during amino acid analysis, which is the free amino acid content. The second column is the measurement result after further hydrolysis, with total amino acids at about 65%.
Other components: 8% nacl, and 8% ammonium chloride. Because it contains ammonium chloride, the crude protein content is relatively high.
This product has already been developed and applied in aquaculture feed and feed for suckling piglets; please share your understanding of this product, friends on the forum, thank you! Attachment: You need to log in to download or view attachments. No account? Register
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Continuing to follow this......
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Good stuff, thanks!!!!!
jsfwb added the following content on 2009-6-16 11:26
Feed mills can give it a try.
---------------------
Please give some suggestions, friends, on its use and promotion prospects. If this product can reduce your feed cost while also improving feed quality, then I think it is a very meaningful thing.
---------------------
The direction is good, but what about the composition? The raw materials? How long are the small peptides, and what is the proportion? And then there is the effect.
---------------------
This product is not intended to be made into a small peptide product. At present, small peptide products have many obstacles in testing that affect the evaluation of their quality. For example, the friend above mentioned the issue of peptide chain length and proportion.
It is said that this product contains about 12% short peptides because the product is completely water-soluble. At the time of measurement, it was tested twice: once directly on the machine without hydrolysis, giving 53% free amino acids, and then another test with further hydrolysis, giving a result of about 65%. So it was judged that part of it exists in the form of short peptides. Because it is completely water-soluble but not free amino acids, then it can only be short peptides. As for the length of the peptide chains, that was not tested.
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The idea is good. There are a few questions:
1. According to the original poster's introduction, this product can be used for both aquaculture and livestock and poultry feed.
2. How do you solve the problem of asynchronous absorption of free amino acids in the intestines of aquatic animals?
3. The original poster focused on introducing the amino acid analysis results, but it should be known that when everyone evaluates a new raw material, the first thing to understand clearly is its process and what raw materials are used. The original poster neglected this point.
4. Why does it contain 8% nacl and 8% ammonium chloride?
5. With glutamic acid this high, what raw material was hydrolyzed?
6. Compound amino acid powder, compounded? Hydrolyzed and spray-dried? It seems the original poster is selling melons.
---------------------
Thank you very much to "Grass Shrimp" upstairs for raising these questions. I hope more friends can raise more targeted questions. Only in this way can we achieve the goal of mutual exchange and learning.
First, let me explain one point: I have no intention of hyping this. It is just that this thing genuinely exists, and I want to bring it out for everyone to discuss. I have always been very optimistic about this thing, but I also need friends to help discuss it. If my persistence can ultimately lead to the application of this feed raw material, then it will also be a small contribution I make to the industry.
---------------------
7# Grass Shrimp
Let me answer a few questions from the friend "Grass Shrimp." If there is anything I say that is incorrect, please criticize and correct me, "Grass Shrimp" and all the experts.
A: Regarding questions 1 and 2, "Grass Shrimp" mentioned the issue of use in aquaculture feed. As a formulator, I also do not recommend adding crystalline amino acids to freshwater fish feed; the problem of asynchronous absorption you mentioned indeed exists. However, there is a premise here: we are adding one or two crystalline amino acids extra, which will cause a single amino acid peak in the blood or tissue fluid. But at this time, the protein synthesis mechanism in the body has not yet started, which may stimulate amino acid oxidative decomposition to reduce the peak and maintain internal homeostasis. However, this is asynchronous absorption caused by adding a single amino acid. If what we add is a balanced amino acid or a compound amino acid, then at this time a single peak will not appear in the blood and body fluids, and the protein synthesis mechanism will also start to complete body protein synthesis. Our experiment in a fish pond in Jining has lasted nearly 50 days, with 2% compound amino acid powder replacing 2% fishmeal. The final results are not out yet, but everything is progressing smoothly, with no negative effects.
B: Regarding the other questions, "Grass Shrimp" mentioned the issue of the process. Indeed, when examining a raw material, we must understand its process in order to have a comprehensive understanding. However, as this product is a new product, my friend has always asked me to keep it confidential for the time being. The raw materials and detailed production process will not be disclosed for now. However, from the content of NaCL and ammonium chloride, many people certainly have already figured it out. This is not a compounded product; it is hydrolyzed and spray-dried. NaCL and ammonium chloride are also products of the process. Because NaCL can reduce the amount of salt used, and ammonium chloride is an electrolyte balance regulator, they were not completely removed, and this much was retained. Complete desalination is very costly.
Finally, thank you very much for "Grass Shrimp's" questions, thank you!
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Is it something from the post-treatment of fermentation by-products from a monosodium glutamate factory?
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10# ztz76
No, thank you!
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May I ask whether it has been tried in pig feed? Is there any palatability problem?