These hard truths really wouldn't be said without a drink
Hard truths that wouldn't be said without a drink
A forum is a place where everyone can speak freely, everyone shares their own views. Undeniably, I have learned a lot here.
Here, I want to remind all newcomers: what we learn here is a way of thinking, it's the process. Never readily believe any conclusion, no matter how authoritative the person is, because the person drawing the conclusion cannot know the real situation. You must stay clear-headed. What others say is only a suggestion. Speaking here carries no responsibility.
Also, when you ask about a problem, you must explain the situation clearly. Leave out even one point, and it will mislead us, and mislead yourself even more.
Special reminder: many of the people who spend all day online are students or other people not on the front lines. Not many of these people have real practical experience.
In addition, let me share my view on books about pig disease diagnosis. I think only very typical diseases with great harm get written into books, but the books only cover 20 or 30 diseases, and all of them are diseases with very low infection rates. Most pig diseases are still common minor ailments like colds and fevers, backache and leg pain. It can't be foot-and-mouth disease or swine fever every other day. The odds of getting cancer are very small. I advise everyone to consider minor illnesses more when problems arise.
Wang Bo, no offense meant!
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The truth isn't true, huh? Let me tell you the real situation with foot-and-mouth disease and swine fever. In recent years, under my guidance, several thousand pigs with foot-and-mouth disease have been burned. It breaks out every winter and spring, and one year it even broke out in June. I even did several comparative treatment trials. Wild-type swine fever virus is present in every pig farm. If vaccination is improper, swine fever breaks out. These are the real facts.
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Speaking here carries no responsibility, but you still can't fool an expert's eye.
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In books, the practical content is getting less and less.
The typical cases simply can't be seen.
This is a fact.
But there are still plenty of latent swine fever cases.
They're just not easy to diagnose. Working on the front lines,
how could you have such good conditions?
You can only rely on experience.
So from now on, don't ask us to do virus culture and things like that.
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The following quote is fromDao Liu's post:
A forum is a place where everyone can speak freely, everyone shares their own views. Undeniably, I have learned a lot here.
Here, I want to remind all newcomers: what we learn here is a way of thinking, it's the process. Never readily believe any conclusion, no matter how authoritative the person is, because the following...
There really are many experts here, but they can't get first-hand materials right away. They can only diagnose from the surface.
Some people don't even state their problem clearly, and that may mislead the experts. So here, the only one responsible is the person asking the question. You can't blame anyone, and you can't blame anyone for jumping to conclusions, because they're doing it to help you solve your problem. But did you explain it clearly yourself? So here we only discuss problems, and there's no question of holding anyone accountable.
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Dao Liu, how much did you drink? Foot-and-mouth disease, swine fever and the like are common, they're just not correctly diagnosed. For example, when a sow won't eat before farrowing, has a high fever and constipation, and all the piglets die within a week after farrowing, people generally think the sow has internal heat and the piglets die from drinking the heat-tainted milk. But what's the reality? If you were there on site, you'd know. Your other views, I agree with.
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Things like what the original poster said do happen, but in the end the incidence of foot-and-mouth disease and swine fever is not small at all. Otherwise, why would they be called infectious diseases?
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Hehe, a lot of the time, what's said after drinking isn't necessarily objective either -- because even when sober, few people can be objective.
But after drinking, what's said really is the truth -- that is, the speaker's true feelings. How could anyone dare blame them?
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Learning shouldn't be rote. You need to integrate knowledge and truly master it!
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Strongly support this! Best if everyone gets drunk!
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Actually, I've still seen quite a few typical cases, at least.
I do pathological diagnosis, and I generally consider large-scale pig farms, so my approach is to care only about diseases that occur on a large scale, or diseases that clearly affect production performance. As for other general internal medicine diseases, the people at the pig farm naturally know more about them than I do.
Still, I have to say this: actually most pig diseases can be diagnosed during necropsy. The key is whether you know how to read it. On this forum I rarely give very definitive conclusions, because a lot of the time the information people provide is one-sided and not enough to reach a single or definitive conclusion. I only say what it might be, and usually I list several possibilities, so some of you may find what I say useless.
As for further testing, that depends on the actual situation. If it's a very large pig farm that can afford the cost, and a clear diagnosis would help the farm's overall disease prevention and management, then it should be done. For farmers doing backyard raising, ah, in my view it's hard to handle, because you can't ask them to let you necropsy a pig that hasn't died yet, and the rest is even more out of the question. But this is China's national reality, and we should find some good methods to help these farmers. Unfortunately, I'm powerless to do so. Everyone here has much more experience than I do in this area.
I hope our country's animal husbandry can develop healthily!
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I actually quite like interacting with students. They have theory.
Combine your own experience with their theory, and you'll definitely gain something.
But what Xiao Liuzi said makes a lot of sense -- don't accept it all wholesale!
Here, I want to remind all newcomers: what we learn here is a way of thinking, it's the process. Never readily believe any conclusion, no matter how authoritative the person is, because the person drawing the conclusion cannot know the real situation. You must stay clear-headed. What others say is only a suggestion. Speaking here carries no responsibility.
Also, when you ask about a problem, you must explain the situation clearly. Leave out even one point, and it will mislead us, and mislead yourself even more.
Special reminder: many of the people who spend all day online are students or other people not on the front lines. Not many of these people have real practical experience.
In addition, let me share my view on books about pig disease diagnosis. I think only very typical diseases with great harm get written into books, but the books only cover 20 or 30 diseases, and all of them are diseases with very low infection rates. Most pig diseases are still common minor ailments like colds and fevers, backache and leg pain. It can't be foot-and-mouth disease or swine fever every other day. The odds of getting cancer are very small. I advise everyone to consider minor illnesses more when problems arise.
Wang Bo, no offense meant!
---------------------
The truth isn't true, huh? Let me tell you the real situation with foot-and-mouth disease and swine fever. In recent years, under my guidance, several thousand pigs with foot-and-mouth disease have been burned. It breaks out every winter and spring, and one year it even broke out in June. I even did several comparative treatment trials. Wild-type swine fever virus is present in every pig farm. If vaccination is improper, swine fever breaks out. These are the real facts.
---------------------
Speaking here carries no responsibility, but you still can't fool an expert's eye.
---------------------
In books, the practical content is getting less and less.
The typical cases simply can't be seen.
This is a fact.
But there are still plenty of latent swine fever cases.
They're just not easy to diagnose. Working on the front lines,
how could you have such good conditions?
You can only rely on experience.
So from now on, don't ask us to do virus culture and things like that.
---------------------
The following quote is fromDao Liu's post:
A forum is a place where everyone can speak freely, everyone shares their own views. Undeniably, I have learned a lot here.
Here, I want to remind all newcomers: what we learn here is a way of thinking, it's the process. Never readily believe any conclusion, no matter how authoritative the person is, because the following...
There really are many experts here, but they can't get first-hand materials right away. They can only diagnose from the surface.
Some people don't even state their problem clearly, and that may mislead the experts. So here, the only one responsible is the person asking the question. You can't blame anyone, and you can't blame anyone for jumping to conclusions, because they're doing it to help you solve your problem. But did you explain it clearly yourself? So here we only discuss problems, and there's no question of holding anyone accountable.
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Dao Liu, how much did you drink? Foot-and-mouth disease, swine fever and the like are common, they're just not correctly diagnosed. For example, when a sow won't eat before farrowing, has a high fever and constipation, and all the piglets die within a week after farrowing, people generally think the sow has internal heat and the piglets die from drinking the heat-tainted milk. But what's the reality? If you were there on site, you'd know. Your other views, I agree with.
---------------------
Things like what the original poster said do happen, but in the end the incidence of foot-and-mouth disease and swine fever is not small at all. Otherwise, why would they be called infectious diseases?
---------------------
Hehe, a lot of the time, what's said after drinking isn't necessarily objective either -- because even when sober, few people can be objective.
But after drinking, what's said really is the truth -- that is, the speaker's true feelings. How could anyone dare blame them?
---------------------
Learning shouldn't be rote. You need to integrate knowledge and truly master it!
---------------------
Strongly support this! Best if everyone gets drunk!
---------------------
Actually, I've still seen quite a few typical cases, at least.
I do pathological diagnosis, and I generally consider large-scale pig farms, so my approach is to care only about diseases that occur on a large scale, or diseases that clearly affect production performance. As for other general internal medicine diseases, the people at the pig farm naturally know more about them than I do.
Still, I have to say this: actually most pig diseases can be diagnosed during necropsy. The key is whether you know how to read it. On this forum I rarely give very definitive conclusions, because a lot of the time the information people provide is one-sided and not enough to reach a single or definitive conclusion. I only say what it might be, and usually I list several possibilities, so some of you may find what I say useless.
As for further testing, that depends on the actual situation. If it's a very large pig farm that can afford the cost, and a clear diagnosis would help the farm's overall disease prevention and management, then it should be done. For farmers doing backyard raising, ah, in my view it's hard to handle, because you can't ask them to let you necropsy a pig that hasn't died yet, and the rest is even more out of the question. But this is China's national reality, and we should find some good methods to help these farmers. Unfortunately, I'm powerless to do so. Everyone here has much more experience than I do in this area.
I hope our country's animal husbandry can develop healthily!
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I actually quite like interacting with students. They have theory.
Combine your own experience with their theory, and you'll definitely gain something.
But what Xiao Liuzi said makes a lot of sense -- don't accept it all wholesale!